yeah, I honestly couldn't tell how much of T'kuvma's particular speech pattern was deliberate, and how much was the actor struggling to enunciate with a mouthful of fake teeth and half a turtle glued to his face. (I did notice that his younger self, who seemed to be wearing less for his brief appearance, had a much more "natural" delivery.)
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and half a turtle glued to his face.
this made me laugh harder than it had any right to.
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Yeah.... speaking as a deaf guy, I could tell that the Klingonese was not quite accurate.
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one thing I did like, as a callback: the instruction pits.
WHAT IS KIRI-KIN-THA'S FIRST LAW OF METAPHYSICS?
"Nothing unreal exists."
CORRECT
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
WHAT IS KIRI-KIN-THA'S FIRST LAW OF METAPHYSICS?
"Nothing unreal exists."
CORRECT
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
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I ment half vulcan..but alright...she still seems very marry sue like..and a utter mess.
This is something that has been bothering me about this show. (Well, ONE of the things that has been bothering me.) Check out this clip from an interview with the actress playing the lead:
(Timecode embedded for the relevant excerpt, Colbert's question and Green's answer.)
This is just... a profound misunderstanding of what makes Vulcans "Vulcan". She says that she has emotions because she's human, but that's nonsense; Vulcans have emotions too, in fact much stronger and more volatile emotions than humans, but they exert control of these emotions through conditioning taught throughout their upbringing. Any child of Sarek's, adopted or otherwise, would definitely have received that conditioning.
I still haven't watched the show yet, I had other stuff going on tonight. But stuff like this really bothers me. It's like they wanted add a little Vulcan to this character like it's some kind of exotic spice, without having to deal with her being, you know, Vulcan (blecch!). The hero must always be human, and behave as humans do, regardless of how little sense that makes.
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The hero must always be human, and behave as humans do, regardless of how little sense that makes.
At the risk of a facile answer, all I can say is: well, yes. As long as the primary viewing audience is human ( ), that's just how it's going to be.
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Comment: I'm not sure I get the Mary Sue comments, because she's clearly meant to be deeply flawed as a person and ROYALLY screws up in a way that isn't insantly solved or forgiven. That's literally the opposite of a Mary Sue.
More commentary later.
More commentary later.
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I'll probably get some stick for this, but here goes. - I thoroughly enjoyed the first two episodes of Discovery. It has it's flaws, sure. But what Star Trek show doesn't? TNG, VOY, DS9 all took a while to pick up. IIRC, although don't quote me on it, but I read somewhere that TNG was almost cancelled until Best of both worlds saved the show. Voyager was pretty meh until Scorpion, and DS9 didn't really take off until the Dominion was introduced. Enterprise was cancelled just as it was getting better, which frankly still irks me to this day.
I'm not a fan of the new Klingon look, but that's something I'll get used to eventually I suppose. And as Jack has stated above me, I don't get the whole Mary Sue thing. There's a lot we don't know about Burnham, and I'm sure a lot will be explained. And up till now, we already know that's she's struggling with various things.
All in all, I liked it. And I'm looking forward to the next episode. Each to their own, though.
I'm not a fan of the new Klingon look, but that's something I'll get used to eventually I suppose. And as Jack has stated above me, I don't get the whole Mary Sue thing. There's a lot we don't know about Burnham, and I'm sure a lot will be explained. And up till now, we already know that's she's struggling with various things.
All in all, I liked it. And I'm looking forward to the next episode. Each to their own, though.
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I had been hoping that the Holo-Council would have had TNG and TOS style Klingons because that would have been neat, but alas. Of course, one of the writers is VERY insistent that the change will be explained, so who knows.
Also, on the note of Klingons in the Federation: it was clearly not originally intended as a throwaway line- within a couple episodes, you see them hail a Klingons shop that has both a Federation and a Klingon emblem in the background. They definitely intended the Klingons to be Federation members as late as Season 2 of TNG.
Also, on the note of Klingons in the Federation: it was clearly not originally intended as a throwaway line- within a couple episodes, you see them hail a Klingons shop that has both a Federation and a Klingon emblem in the background. They definitely intended the Klingons to be Federation members as late as Season 2 of TNG.
Michael was not a likable-on-contact Trek protagonist, no. She's not supposed to be. They're doing something dangerous and new here, something Trek has never done, and I, for one, applaud them. I might not LIKE Michael as I LIKED Picard/Janeway/Kirk, etc., but I am certainly invested in her story and want to see where it ends up. And I think through growing with her we'll have some really awesomely real emotional moments coming up, if the writers can pull it off.
Admiral Mansplain made my day. Even in the future... sigh.
Admiral Mansplain made my day. Even in the future... sigh.
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The Klingons will annoy me until I see some damn augments. But! I really enjoyed it, and it's something to watch every week.
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I really appreciated the spiritualality they gave T'Kuvma's house.
Edit: I think this is a really good analysis of the first two episodes.
Edit: I think this is a really good analysis of the first two episodes.
Man-splain? when did SJWness have to do with this?
Star Trek has always been about Social Justice Warriors, buddy. That's who the main characters are.
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Man-splain? when did SJWness have to do with this?
I agree Nimitz, however i see it an odd choice of words. idk its 9 am here.
Every single Starfleet officer is a SJW. They are all about peaceful exploration, equality, progress... and I liked how that was reflected here, with Georgiou's reluctance to go straight to war, the poor shellshocked officer's speech to Burnham... being an SJW is what being in Starfleet is all about.
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Oh yes, I'm not sure if it was pointed out here but.
T'Kuvma....like Kuvah'magh?
T'Kuvma....like Kuvah'magh?
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I'm almost certain there's a connection there. They even mention prophecy.
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Your explenation is confuseing me further Aurelia t'Veras.we seem to have vastly diffrent veiws on this topic, i for one do not want to start a flame war on this so i wont. to each their own opinion i say. *shrug*