If we can't have a discussion about the essence of Starfleet itself, what are we doing here? Discussions in Argo don't automatically descend to the level of "flame war," as we are asked to be respectful of each other's views, which is something that both of us want.
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I jumped on reddit to see what people thought, goodness we're two episodes in. Give it a little time to get its feet.
To me it seems that the war won't be a massive in your face thing, and that the show is about Discovery, or did I misread the title...and the ship.
Good post here about all the links to canon though!
To me it seems that the war won't be a massive in your face thing, and that the show is about Discovery, or did I misread the title...and the ship.
Good post here about all the links to canon though!
You know, it's worth noting that we didn't actually see representatives from all twenty four great houses, which means some of them may have more 'traditional' Klingon appearances. They probably won't, but it's worth thinking about.
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What confuses me is this timeline...in the trailer it said "before kirk, spock or the entireprise" this is wrong is it not? i mean Pike should already be what this is 2255 so...2-3 years in his mission commanding NCC 1701? and spock was like an officer on enterprise under pike...and some other guy before him...the name is slipping my mind.
According to Memory Alpha, Pike finished his first Five Year mission the same year that Discovery starts.
The marketing was exaggerating. Never trust trailers for actual canon material.
And it wasn't a guy- it was Number One, played by Majel Barrett.
The marketing was exaggerating. Never trust trailers for actual canon material.
And it wasn't a guy- it was Number One, played by Majel Barrett.
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No no i apologise i ment some other captain before pike...i know Majel was to be played by Roddenberry which is cool :3
If we can't have a discussion about the essence of Starfleet itself, what are we doing here? Discussions in Argo don't automatically descend to the level of "flame war," as we are asked to be respectful of each other's views, which is something that both of us want.
I agree. But I have been accused of liking to argue before.
That said, a commitment to social justice is baked into the DNA of Star Trek. It has often been clumsy about it, sometimes embarrassingly so. It has sometimes failed to live up to its own ideals, sometimes failed to extend its radical vision of fundamental equality far enough. But it has always been among the most optimistic and progressive visions of the future for its era (whichever era that happened to be).
The protagonists of Star Trek are committed to these ideals, and they are willing to fight to defend them. They are the very definition of Social Justice Warriors.
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Robert April, who was actually Gene Roddenberry doing a costume test. He got a bunch of stuff to do in the Kelvin timeline though, with the actual TOS styled Connie
Ah intresting, thank you Nyla.
I think it's really funny that in the first episode they're literally attacked by a lens flare.
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...so, um. Do they not have shuttles or probes? I've asked several people and no one I can find can remember them saying they couldn't use those things. Was shoving their first officer into a debris field in a space suit where her DNA could unravel really the only option?
That's what started off the episode for me. I dunno. I think Sonequa was saddled with poor writing and clunky directing. Honestly, I felt bad for her, because I've been told by trusted friends she's a great actress but her portrayal of 'Vulcan' dialogue was weird and stilted - and not in the way I think it was supposed to be.
They've lost me on the main character already, and the rest of how I feel about things is chalked up best to 'meh'. The effects were like a generic PS4 Sci-Fi game, the chatter was constant but not with any emotional impact, and I just ended up wondering what Yeoh's captain was doing with someone like her as a first officer.
When a crisis hits, the last thing I want is my freshly irradiated first officer wandering off to the conference room to call her Vulcan Obi-Wan and get advice from him. That's not the time or the place, being that Starfleet (and clearly Vulcans) had dealt with the Empire and all the information would then be available in any necessary databases.
Fanservice to try to make people feel like something belonged. It didn't make me mad, but it's made me feel kind of sad and blah about this thing.
I'll keep on with the pirate's life, but the Orville is filling my Star Trek fix. For me, this is like an impending train wreck.
That's what started off the episode for me. I dunno. I think Sonequa was saddled with poor writing and clunky directing. Honestly, I felt bad for her, because I've been told by trusted friends she's a great actress but her portrayal of 'Vulcan' dialogue was weird and stilted - and not in the way I think it was supposed to be.
They've lost me on the main character already, and the rest of how I feel about things is chalked up best to 'meh'. The effects were like a generic PS4 Sci-Fi game, the chatter was constant but not with any emotional impact, and I just ended up wondering what Yeoh's captain was doing with someone like her as a first officer.
When a crisis hits, the last thing I want is my freshly irradiated first officer wandering off to the conference room to call her Vulcan Obi-Wan and get advice from him. That's not the time or the place, being that Starfleet (and clearly Vulcans) had dealt with the Empire and all the information would then be available in any necessary databases.
Fanservice to try to make people feel like something belonged. It didn't make me mad, but it's made me feel kind of sad and blah about this thing.
I'll keep on with the pirate's life, but the Orville is filling my Star Trek fix. For me, this is like an impending train wreck.
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They specifically mention that none of their shuttles would be able to maneuver in the asteroid field.
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I enjoyed watching Discovery. I'm looking forward to watching the rest of the season.
Without giving any spoilers, things I liked: USS Shenjou and her wonderful Captain. The Klingon Armor and the amazing sets. Sarek. (For reasons.) USS T'Planahath (For reasons.) The space Visuals.
Things I disliked: USS Shenjou's First officer (Love the actress! Looking forward to seeing what happens with the character!). Klingon Appearance. (MUD FACES EATING TURTLES! GAH!) Admiral Mansplain. (Because I don't remember his name and Aurelia's comment made me laugh.)
Without giving any spoilers, things I liked: USS Shenjou and her wonderful Captain. The Klingon Armor and the amazing sets. Sarek. (For reasons.) USS T'Planahath (For reasons.) The space Visuals.
Things I disliked: USS Shenjou's First officer (Love the actress! Looking forward to seeing what happens with the character!). Klingon Appearance. (MUD FACES EATING TURTLES! GAH!) Admiral Mansplain. (Because I don't remember his name and Aurelia's comment made me laugh.)
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I think it's really funny that in the first episode they're literally attacked by a lens flare.
Saw this glorious comment. "MY GOD THE KLINGONS WEAPONIZED LENS FLARES!"
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I think the Admiral's name was Brett Anderson?
I found this image after remembering the TNG episode where Barclay regresses to a spider-creature. Worf became a Pre-historic proto-Klingon:
Compare that image with the Mud-faced Turtle Eating Klingons.
Compare that image with the Mud-faced Turtle Eating Klingons.
I always thought the proto-Klingon looked Jem'Hadar. I doubt that was intentional, but the Hur'q that plundered Qo'noS also came from the Gamma Quadrant...which makes you wonder.
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I have a theory on why Michael acted more human. We see in the flashback that starts episode two she seems very much a stoic Vulcan, but that took place seven years before Discovery starts. I think it's possible in that time she opened up and allowed a bit more of her human side back out into the open. I think was may see more of this explored in the future.
Now while I hated episode 1, 2 was marginally better and they certainly weren't bad enough to drive me from not watching more, but they didn't make me want to run out and get All Access either. So unless I can catch a Kermit Stream again, that may be all I'll see of the series for a while. It certainly needs a chance though for it to grow before people throw it out entirely.
As for the flawed protagonist, well some of what are the best episides of Trek show the captains with self doubt and flaws. The Conscious of the King, In the Pale Moonlight, and even Night to name a few. There's nothing wrong with a flawed protagonist I'm Star Trek. In fact, Trek is at its best when the flaws are front and center.
As for the Klingons in the Fed part, the early season evidence still isn't as overt as Discovery's changes to the canon.
Now while I hated episode 1, 2 was marginally better and they certainly weren't bad enough to drive me from not watching more, but they didn't make me want to run out and get All Access either. So unless I can catch a Kermit Stream again, that may be all I'll see of the series for a while. It certainly needs a chance though for it to grow before people throw it out entirely.
As for the flawed protagonist, well some of what are the best episides of Trek show the captains with self doubt and flaws. The Conscious of the King, In the Pale Moonlight, and even Night to name a few. There's nothing wrong with a flawed protagonist I'm Star Trek. In fact, Trek is at its best when the flaws are front and center.
As for the Klingons in the Fed part, the early season evidence still isn't as overt as Discovery's changes to the canon.
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Apparently the Discovery is a Crossfield class?
I enjoyed the first episode but to me, it didn't feel like it was set in the right time period; some elements seemed way too futuristic whilst others seemed too historic. If I was a person who had only watched Star Trek from the JJ Abrams films, I think I would really enjoy the series. However, having known Star Trek from before the newer films, I can't shake off that bias that will inevitably seep in.
That said, from the first episode, it seems good enough to watch and I can't wait to watch the second episode when I have the time.
That said, from the first episode, it seems good enough to watch and I can't wait to watch the second episode when I have the time.
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