Do we get Loki and Captain American in this giant sized Argo retcon comic?
We seem to have strayed from the topic of the thread
Thread topic RETCONNED.
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Looks like they toned down the over-the-top cinematography a little in the coming episodes.
Discovery's interior looks a little more retro, too- in my opinion.
Discovery's interior looks a little more retro, too- in my opinion.
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Guess we'll find out me thinks.
Well, I was thinking how a lot of people are saying that one of the things that they don't like about Burnham is how she effectively attempted to mutiny and take over the ship, saying it was unusual for a Vulcan to do such a thing, well, I recently rewatched The Menagerie, and Spock effectively carried out a mutiny to return Pike to Talos IV, so it's not unheard of for a Vulcan, or in Burnham's case, a Human rasied as a Vulcan to act on their emotions to do what they believe is right.
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Yeah. That's definitely Burnham's problem. Michael has just enough Vulcan upbringing that she's completely unable to tell when she's lost her objectivity, and she was presented with a nightmare scenario: Klingons about to attack her family, again.
You can even see it more subtly when she goes does an EVA to the Klingon beacon- she becomes so enraptured in examining the object that she forgets that this was supposed to be a 'flyby', and you can almost certainly bet she'd find a way to 'logically' justify it.
You can even see it more subtly when she goes does an EVA to the Klingon beacon- she becomes so enraptured in examining the object that she forgets that this was supposed to be a 'flyby', and you can almost certainly bet she'd find a way to 'logically' justify it.
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It finally hit me why continuity changes don't bug me as much as they bug you guys.
I'm a comic fan. Retcons are a way of life.
I'm a comic fan. Retcons are a way of life.
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Retcons make me twitchy in comics and in TV, probably because I place value in knowing all that old lore that those in charge now either don't, or decide "this is boring, none of the people we want to be reading/watching/buying things care about it" and throw it all on the trash/out the airlock.
and I'm like, "NO! All that stuff is why we liked it! ... ten, twenty years ago."
Unfortunately, I seem to have reached the stage in most of my fandoms where I am (in) the demographic no one important cares about pleasing. Which is a pretty bleak (personal) future to contemplate.
and I'm like, "NO! All that stuff is why we liked it! ... ten, twenty years ago."
Unfortunately, I seem to have reached the stage in most of my fandoms where I am (in) the demographic no one important cares about pleasing. Which is a pretty bleak (personal) future to contemplate.
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It's tough when the world moves on. When commercials aren't targeting you anymore (or different ones, like going from getting ads for new jeans to ads for hair replacement and prostate medications), or when you fall out of that key marketing demographic. It's tough, but you get used to it.
Things like Star Wars and Star Trek are our modern myths. The stories, the morals, the journey stays the same, but, like myths, the re-telling is reshaped and changed to reflect the times in which they are being told. That's also tough, but you get used to it too.
I know that's a bit high-brow, but it's wonderful that something created when I was a kid has endured long enough and considered worthy enough to be retold and re-imagined in glorious new and modern ways. It means that the show is still relevant. That the ideas still have merit, and that it still has something to offer.
Change is inevitable, but it's comforting to know that there are people out there who love Star Trek so much they zealously move to protect it from too much change. That push and pull is what preserves legacy.
Things like Star Wars and Star Trek are our modern myths. The stories, the morals, the journey stays the same, but, like myths, the re-telling is reshaped and changed to reflect the times in which they are being told. That's also tough, but you get used to it too.
I know that's a bit high-brow, but it's wonderful that something created when I was a kid has endured long enough and considered worthy enough to be retold and re-imagined in glorious new and modern ways. It means that the show is still relevant. That the ideas still have merit, and that it still has something to offer.
Change is inevitable, but it's comforting to know that there are people out there who love Star Trek so much they zealously move to protect it from too much change. That push and pull is what preserves legacy.
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Well, I was thinking how a lot of people are saying that one of the things that they don't like about Burnham is how she effectively attempted to mutiny and take over the ship, saying it was unusual for a Vulcan to do such a thing, well, I recently rewatched The Menagerie, and Spock effectively carried out a mutiny to return Pike to Talos IV, so it's not unheard of for a Vulcan, or in Burnham's case, a Human rasied as a Vulcan to act on their emotions to do what they believe is right.
I didn't have a problem with this on the grounds of "a Vulcan wouldn't do that". I think the reason it doesn't work is that it isn't properly justified, dramatically speaking. Burnham asks to be excused from a bridge in the middle of a crisis to call Daddy, who shares a tidy little story about how the use of preemptive force is sometimes logical, and Burnham makes a not-very-effective case for it to Georgiou. When that fails, she immediately jumps to the conclusion that she needs to assault her commanding officer and usurp command. Then she completely blows this, fails to marshal the crew to accomplish the simple objective she just betrayed her captain for, and then gets arrested by the captain because she apparently can't even get the nerve pinch right.
It's all delivered in such a rush that it leaves the audience's head spinning. The show tried to sell us on the bond between Burnham and Georgiou, in fact it's the only character relationship the pilot seems willing to set up, but it's thrown away in a matter of minutes, without any sign dramatized internal conflict or deliberation.
We've talked about a hypothetical alternative structure for this show where the first two episodes were instead the season finale. Imagine if we'd spent time with these characters, seen how they relate to each other at length, their struggles and victories and camaraderie. We'd have been in the headspace of the Burnham character when she has to make this terrible decision. And then imagine seeing it handled this way, with the entire arc of her betrayal taking place over a matter of minutes.
I understand that they were trying to accomplish a lot in the first episode and time was limited. But that doesn't excuse you from the rules of functional dramatic storytelling. If there's just not enough time for the dramatic buildup you need for your twist to land, you are starting your story way too late. The writers wanted the payoff but didn't want to do the work.
The actors were doing a heroic job of trying to sell these underwritten character arcs anyway, and the response they have inspired in some viewers is a testament to how good they are. They really deserved better writing behind them.
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That wasn't an episode that I expect to win over doubters, but it was darned good television. I'm excited to see where this goes.
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So.... that was GREAT. It was everything I wanted from Trek -- sympathetic characters, scientists who want to science, people who try to live up to the Starfleet ideal -- and DAMN, the character development after only three episodes, especially with Saru and the cute roommate.
AND I AM IN LOVE WITH MICHAEL NOW.
LOVE. LITERAL LOVE.
AND I AM IN LOVE WITH MICHAEL NOW.
LOVE. LITERAL LOVE.
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Much, much improved on Eps. 1 & 2. This is more like it.
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I'll admit, this episode did draw me in, aside from it being basically Battlestar Galatica, I will continue to keep watching it.
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Had too much science research for BSG, lol. But agreed, it was good. I like Lorca, his philosophy, especially with the context is for kings line is very apropos of today's world even if it will ultimately give way to the universal law of the Federation we know will become more solid by the 24th century. A good reminder this is still the 23rd though, and not everyone is perfect yet (much like Kirk, even if he preached more than he practiced).
I'll say I didn't expect to see site to site transport in the 23rd century but..... nothing specifically ever stated they didn't have it I suppose.
Also 90 ly in 3 seconds via spore travel? Obviously something negative is going to be discovered (hah) about this since no one is benefiting from that later (and man Voyager sure would have liked it, lol).
Edit: My first line isn't a dis at Science btw.. I love that there is science stuff in the show for sure, just a note on how it differentiates from other "dark" scifi shows.
I'll say I didn't expect to see site to site transport in the 23rd century but..... nothing specifically ever stated they didn't have it I suppose.
Also 90 ly in 3 seconds via spore travel? Obviously something negative is going to be discovered (hah) about this since no one is benefiting from that later (and man Voyager sure would have liked it, lol).
Edit: My first line isn't a dis at Science btw.. I love that there is science stuff in the show for sure, just a note on how it differentiates from other "dark" scifi shows.
If I had to guess, the downside is whatever the hell happened to that other crew.
Can I call it now that Discovery will go missing? The typical trope on why you never hear about cool ships in the future. They DO manage to get it to work, buuut they end of a long way away, and stranded FOREVER!
Unless it's just a style choice for the armour, I would like to know about the black badges. I keep getting an odd feeling about this ship, far more going on than we know, very much a section 31 vibe.
Tilly is great, but shows that I will never understand how hair can compress that much.
Finally why did Lorca keep the giant tardigrade?
Unless it's just a style choice for the armour, I would like to know about the black badges. I keep getting an odd feeling about this ship, far more going on than we know, very much a section 31 vibe.
Tilly is great, but shows that I will never understand how hair can compress that much.
Finally why did Lorca keep the giant tardigrade?
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I think its for a pet, i personally approve of his taste in deadly creatures.