If I had to guess, it's because he's clearly god some weird mad scientist stuff going on, and so that they can figure out what in the heck it is.
So, when the episode started, I was all ready to grommich about the external aesthetics of the Discovery.
But then the episode sucked me in. I even started liking Burnham. (I have a soft spot for people seeking Redemption...)
And at the end, I said:
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It's a freakin' Connie that someone stepped on and then gave the STO Sovereign Skin to.
But then the episode sucked me in. I even started liking Burnham. (I have a soft spot for people seeking Redemption...)
And at the end, I said:
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"I hate that Captain. He's so...I dunno, I can't put my finger on it. He reminds of that dude in Deep Space Nine that I wanted to go away. And that black badge! Wtf?"
And Krag grinned, looked at me and we both said simultaneously, "Section 31."
And Krag grinned, looked at me and we both said simultaneously, "Section 31."
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My only real gripe about the episode is that, IMO, they should have briefly teamed up with the Klingon, sort of set a precedent that they can coexist, and then have the Klingon get eaten when that redshirt did later on in the episode.
Otherwise, though, still a great episode.
Otherwise, though, still a great episode.
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I dunno, I thought it was funny that the mud-faced-turtle-eating thing that's not a real Klingon got eaten by the thing. Because not a Klingon. .>>
I would peg Lorca as someone who isn't meant to be liked cause he has that bigger picture mentality (which often overlaps with ends justify the means, both fit with the context is for kings line). I however tend to always be the rare fan who likes these characters because I'm big on bigger picture philosophies (even if I still disagree with specific actions).
Lorca might ultimately get more redeemable moments though, he is still the captain, but he's also not the primary character. A contrast might be Dr. Rush in SGU, who I also liked despite most fans hating him, but he was a main character.
Lorca might ultimately get more redeemable moments though, he is still the captain, but he's also not the primary character. A contrast might be Dr. Rush in SGU, who I also liked despite most fans hating him, but he was a main character.
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I can see two main plot points I'm almost willing to bet will happen, first, Discovery is a Section 31 ship, and second, the Captain is Garth of Izar
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On that note, I've realized something.
As much as I love the episode, DS9's greatest misstep was commenting on the difference between TOS Klingons and later Klingons. They should have dressed Michael Dorn up in TOS Klingon makeup and have nobody comment on it. Establishing that the visual limitations from TOS were what that time period actually looked like definitely shot themselves in the foot later in terms of visual retcons.
As much as I love the episode, DS9's greatest misstep was commenting on the difference between TOS Klingons and later Klingons. They should have dressed Michael Dorn up in TOS Klingon makeup and have nobody comment on it. Establishing that the visual limitations from TOS were what that time period actually looked like definitely shot themselves in the foot later in terms of visual retcons.
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Amen to that.
I also still refuse to accept the hypothesis that Lorca is Garth. I'm ok with being proven wrong if that happens but I feel the people they got in that writing team are more clever than that (and yes I know some of you will laugh at that since you already dislike the writing but I think it's actually good so far). If anything pulling an Axanar will ruin it for me cause it would just be a massive Take That instead of being an actual thought out story. Besides no where in Canon says the battle of Axanar has to relate to a Klingon war (it was just assumed). Current detractors of this show may expect that but I expect better.
I also still refuse to accept the hypothesis that Lorca is Garth. I'm ok with being proven wrong if that happens but I feel the people they got in that writing team are more clever than that (and yes I know some of you will laugh at that since you already dislike the writing but I think it's actually good so far). If anything pulling an Axanar will ruin it for me cause it would just be a massive Take That instead of being an actual thought out story. Besides no where in Canon says the battle of Axanar has to relate to a Klingon war (it was just assumed). Current detractors of this show may expect that but I expect better.
It's a few days old now, but here's a link to an interview with Jason Isaacs about being in Star Trek Discovery. It fills in some of his thinking about the show, and for my part, really illustrates why he has really nailed the role.
I caught up and watched the 3rd episode, definitely got a USS Pegasus/ Capt. Pressman vibe from it. Except now the whole crew is going along with what's going on, not just the captain.
There's something a bit off about the Lorca-Landry relationship, isn't there?
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A little bit. I would say there's a sort of Equinox feeling here, but clearly the crew are not all so invested (Lt. Science, for example, clearly resents certain aspects of Capt. Lorca's approach and what he represents). But there is something between Lorca and Landry which does look like the kind of dangerously zealous personal devotion that we have seen before in Trek.
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Particularly when we all thought it was Genesis they were working on, I called Lt. Science "Dr. Marcus." It's very much the same rant about Starfleet stepping in and militarizing everything.
After 'anything for you' I genuinely expect them to hook up.
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There is something really strange with the Discovery at all? xD
Iunno guys. Lorca had a tribble and a bowl of fortune cookies on his desk at the same time. If the ship isn't overrun by tribbles before the fifth episode, I'm calling bullshit.
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A little bit. I would say there's a sort of Equinox feeling here, but clearly the crew are not all so invested (Lt. Science, for example, clearly resents certain aspects of Capt. Lorca's approach and what he represents). But there is something between Lorca and Landry which does look like the kind of dangerously zealous personal devotion that we have seen before in Trek.
Well, perhaps a bit too "Equinox feeling". I mean, Equinox was a single episode about a single ship. We're talking about a whole series and with Starfleet involved, although I agree with your assessment of Lt. Science's behavior and of Lorca/Landry relationship.
I don't know, after the first two episodes this third one is almost completely different....I was almost disturbed (although I must admit: Jason Isaacs fits wonderfully in his part).
I had assumed it was being used as a sort of Klingon detector and that it was probably sterilized.
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shoopdanwoop wrote:
Finally why did Lorca keep the giant tardigrade?
Also I'm 60% sure they had a Gorn skeleton in that shot too, need to double check. Easter Eggs!
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shoopdanwoop wrote:
Finally why did Lorca keep the giant tardigrade?
Also I'm 60% sure they had a Gorn skeleton in that shot too, need to double check. Easter Eggs!
To be honest, I still don't understand well that "physics as biology" concept (well, I understand it theoretically; what I don't understand is how it could be really possible to develop an engine from it, and why the hell that engine should be so...powerful), but what you said makes sense. This could also help explain why that thing survived the Glenn incident.
And yes, I'm pretty sure that was a Gorn skeleton.
Ah, I was forgetting: someone should really explain me why there was only ONE pilot on a shuttle for prisoners. And why that poor pilot had to exit on her own to clean the shuttle from....insects. Really. That scene was silly.
(At least I hope the Discovery beamed that poor pilot on board).
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